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[notajf]

is pyglet actually written in something other than python

Pygame is largely C modules, I believe. It's a wrapper for SDL

Pyglet is a thinly-wrapped OpenGL wrapper
PyOpenGL is the same except without the nice bits Pyglet has like the sprite stuff (pygrafix has a similar API to Pyglet)

[NAGN]

then why is pygame so slow if its a straight up wrapper for sdl

[notajf]

then why is pygame so slow if its a straight up wrapper for sdl

Pygame isn't super slow. It's just as slow as Game Maker, which isn't too bad.

The reason it's "slow" compared to Pygrafix is that many of the transformations [in Pygame] are done in software and then pushed to the screen with hardware-accelerated 2D, whilst Pygrafix uses hardware-accelerated 3D to apply transformations and push them to the screen.

[Nukleus]

It's not that bad, honestly
The switch to pygrafix already slowed down development a lot
Also I'll be able to help now hopefully.

[notajf]

It's not that bad, honestly
The switch to pygrafix already slowed down development a lot
Also I'll be able to help now hopefully.

We won't have to switch again, btw. When I said drop-in replacement, I meant it. The code runs fine in both my [currently very slow] replacement which uses Pygame, and with actual pygrafix.

[NAGN]

Do any of you know any decent platforming games using pygame? I want to get a feel as to what non hardware-accellerated transformations will mean

[notajf]

Do any of you know any decent platforming games using pygame? I want to get a feel as to what non hardware-accellerated transformations will mean

NAGN lemme send you 2pygrafix (my name for my pygrafix replacement)

Then you can see what the speed goes to. I think it could be improved though.

[Nukleus]

I dunno, but pygame's not as slow as people think. Civ IV's add ons and expansions were all in Pygame

[notajf]

OK here it is. put it in pygg2 folder except rename it to pygrafix

And make sure you have pygame

https://ajf.me/stuff/gg2/2pygrafix.zip

[NAGN]

well...

it runs like shit, but I guess I expected that

[notajf]

well...

it runs like shit, but I guess I expected that

...yeah. I'll find a way to make it run faster. Maybe.

[Footpöp]

vanilla gg2 developent has halted because...

1. it was already sort of slow and dead to begin with since release for many months, the most recent update was when we fixed the rocketman jumping bug, but that hasn't actually been released for some reason
2. half of the developers aren't actually working due to having a job, or doing something
3. any remaining developers have moved to pygg2 for the time being
4. all of those developers are either on study leave, on vacation, has their computer taken away, or wareya

5. GG2 is "done" as far as the "original" idea goes, everything is implemented except heavy jetpacks

[Orpheon]

Oh god. I go for a short hiatus, and when I come back...
 


Alright.
1. Is Pygame fast enough for PyGG2?
2. If not, are we capable of managing pygrafix/creating something new without NC?

[notajf]

Oh god. I go for a short hiatus, and when I come back...
 


Alright.
1. Is Pygame fast enough for PyGG2?
2. If not, are we capable of managing pygrafix/creating something new without NC?

1. probably not
2. pyglet is certainly an option.

[Orpheon]

Oh god. I go for a short hiatus, and when I come back...
 


Alright.
1. Is Pygame fast enough for PyGG2?
2. If not, are we capable of managing pygrafix/creating something new without NC?

1. probably not
2. pyglet is certainly an option.

1. Ok
2. I meant, can we/do we want to start pygrafix-v2?

And we shouldn't be discussing this here, but in Skype, it's easier to explain and argue. I also want the other' opinions.