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[Orpheon]

python is horrifying

nah, it makes gui development incredibly sexy

basically what's happening is that no one's working on it right now. That doesn't mean its abandoned per-say, but if you look at video games as far as how things are looked at from a surface (we're not a bureaucracy, everything's open on github), yes we're pretty much bullshitting around.

Any argument that's going on in this thread that's about "restarting the project," or something silly like coding conventions simply reflect a lack of work, and attempts to excuse ourselves from working on it.

That being said, Wareya and AJF have already chosen to abandon the project. That doesn't mean that they're not welcome back, but it also means that we don't really have much to do with whatever side projects they're doing (b43.js, and whatnot)

I'm not so sure what AJF is doing right now, but whatever it is, its probably nothing to do with PyGG2

I've been playing a bit of dota 2 recently. ITs a real good time waster, but I should probably go back to working on this now that L and everyone's going to college, or finish up the Garrison Builder rewrite

Replace "dota 2" in here with minecraft and you have my situation.

[Phantom Brave]

Hey, this thread isn't as derailed and ADD as pygg2's engine structure is.
Honestly, GM will go cross-platform before GG2 does.

[ajf]

Hey, this thread isn't as derailed and ADD as pygg2's engine structure is.
Honestly, GM will go cross-platform before GG2 does.

GM already has. We just need mac/iOS/HTML5/Android versions of faucet networking.

[Orpheon]

Pygg2's engine structure is completely logical.

And anything not including linux is useless for dedicated servers and so for the main reason we wanted cross-compatibility.


Also, if you guys find the structure so flawed, then giving concrete examples help a lot more.
Apart from the completely inconsistent naming, I know that.

[Phantom Brave]

inconsistent naming, fucked up scoping to work around python's handling of scope, inconsistency and bad data shuffling due to said scope and naming problems, that were never fixed, the hilarious issues with trying to get the god damn thing even to work

[Machidro]

Also, if you guys find the structure so flawed, then giving concrete examples help a lot more.
Apart from the completely inconsistent naming, I know that.

inconsistent naming

[Phantom Brave]

is there a problem with drilling a fact

[Orpheon]

inconsistent naming, fucked up scoping to work around python's handling of scope, inconsistency and bad data shuffling due to said scope and naming problems, that were never fixed, the hilarious issues with trying to get the god damn thing even to work

None of these are concrete examples. Give code.

And yeah, I know about the naming, you don't need to give examples of that.

[ajf]

When I get round to it I'll start a rewrite using Go or C or C++.

The Python community, and us, damn well know that Python has terrible library support for games, is quite slow, etc. Also Python might not be the best choice for the future. I am a little worried about its future prospects as a language.

However, Go? It's new, it's fast, it's garbage-collected but close to the metal, it's like C without the horrible stuff.

And C has worked forever. C++ is popular among game devs.

So, when I get round to it, you may be seeing GoGG2, or GGG2, or G32

[Orpheon]

If your project is finished before PyGG2, I will be astounded.

[Saniblues]

Well, they could work off someone else's engine from the get-go and re-write it as they go. There's absolutely no shame in that.

Doesn't matter what bloke writes the code; it all works the same either way to the players, you know?

[Orpheon]

Well, they could work off someone else's engine from the get-go and re-write it as they go. There's absolutely no shame in that.

Doesn't matter what bloke writes the code; it all works the same either way to the players, you know?

>implying there are free, good and open game engines in Go.

[Saniblues]

Well, they could work off someone else's engine from the get-go and re-write it as they go. There's absolutely no shame in that.

Doesn't matter what bloke writes the code; it all works the same either way to the players, you know?

>implying there are free, good and open game engines in Go.

C++ was also suggested. I know some guys that could help out with that, if they can get past Wareya's severe autism.

[Orpheon]

Well, they could work off someone else's engine from the get-go and re-write it as they go. There's absolutely no shame in that.

Doesn't matter what bloke writes the code; it all works the same either way to the players, you know?

>implying there are free, good and open game engines in Go.

C++ was also suggested. I know some guys that could help out with that, if they can get past Wareya's severe autism.

There's nothing wrong with starting, as I don't think there's a huge concurrence yet.

[ajf]

There is a free and open-source game with a weird name I can't remember that involves blobs that jump around and shoot things. I would probably use whatever engine it uses.

Edit: TEEWORLDS. That's it.

Edit 2: It has shooting, it has physics, it has custom maps, it has two teams, it has CTF. I'm sure it could be adapted to serve gg2's needs.

AND WITHOUT REWRITING THE WHOLE BLOODY THING.